I was starting to think we were crazy for still being upset about it. [ which. you know. ] It's...pretty much what I told Wolfwood. We had no plans to confront him and we weren't going to blame him to his face. But it's not like any of us can control how we feel about it when it was in addition to us being his example for an inter-team kill. [ to them, it was extra insulting to have the "person" who killed setsu try to suggest the idea that inter-team kills were possible when talking about setsu's murder, despite bringing it up because of simon. ]
This was never going to end with every single person liking or trusting every single other person anyway. People are always gonna feel a way about people killing their friends. But I do think there can be some understanding if people want to be upset without being told it's wrong to feel that way, just like I think we can all still work together since everybody's got the same goal.
[ another sip. ] Between what happened with Simon and what happened with Livio, all three of us weren't entirely sure how to feel about Justice being ahead. But I do think that as long as Livio's himself, he would want to bring everybody back.
[ jonas's reservations mostly were in the idea of not entirely knowing if razlo would show up again and joss the whole thing, considering. ]
But because of what happened this weekend, the rankings are probably gonna change one more time. I don't know when we'll find out either.
I haven't confirmed it yet but there's basically no way we aren't in the lead now. Justice has three, two they got away with, we have five, four we got away with. [Sorry, it's so gross to describe it like that.]
I do trust Livio, but I also get it. And I think both he and Razlo also kind of know that it's going to be harder for people to trust Justice.
[she sighs.]
I feel really weird about this stuff, Jonas, but it's not that I think no one should be angry at him. It's more that it sometimes makes me wish people would be angrier at us. But then I think about how brave Haru has been, and I don't want that, either. Still - you aren't crazy. Of course not. Setsu should still be here.
[ he's busy counting on his fingers. it's fine, i get it. ]
Sounds like those numbers add up to me. I don't know how many people even know about Razlo at this point since it seems like a lot of people still trust Livio. But considering the conversation I had with Livio I would say you're right, he kind of knows.
[ ...but he sighs. ]
I get you. I definitely get it, it's...I really don't get how you guys are doing it when I was kind of all over the place after we killed Simon. [ mostly because he oscillated between if it was a good or a bad thing, and also losing setsu. ] I think there's going to be time later for everybody to be angry with whoever they want. To be honest with you, I am still upset Shenhe's gone. I...writing to her has helped, but I can tell something's changed that I can't fix right now. I wish she were still here. I wish Setsu were still here because we're still trying to learn how to be okay again.
But it's all complicated for everybody, in the end. That's what it all comes down to isn't it?
[Thanks. She swallows and nods when he talks about Shenhe.]
Yeah. Writing isn't the same. I wish they were both here, too. It's complicated, and I think we're all trying to do the right thing. I feel weird about Simon, too. I don't think I made him go after other people, but also what I did do to him hurt him really badly, and I'm responsible for some of what happened because of that. But - whether he deserved it or didn't deserve it, the fact is that the week he died he was asking Haru a lot of questions about Lambda, so if he hadn't died he might have killed Haru next.
Everybody's trying to do the right thing, but the game was designed so that the "right thing" is morally compromising to begin with. I can understand feeling responsible for some of what happened because you framed him. [ ...but, well. ] ...we were planning to go after Simon a week before we did, actually. But then Kazuki came back on a mission, and we knew we couldn't leave him behind like that. Plus we couldn't risk his effects from his mission showing up and derailing stuff during the trial. [ and also the mods told us the queue was full. ] I wish we had worked harder to go through with it sometimes. At least to stop him from killing Fukuzawa, but having that happen just made it more obvious why we had to take him out. If it wasn't his own teammate, you're right, it would've been someone else.
I'm not saying our kill was morally correct. But I find myself not feeling as bad as I should because of those factors. As long as it meant keeping other people safe. [ tch. ] Not that he was happy we cornered him, but whatever. Never thought this would be a position I'd find myself in either.
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Date: 2023-07-31 01:17 am (UTC)he just kind of goes completely lax at that.
THANK GOD. ]
I was starting to think we were crazy for still being upset about it. [ which. you know. ] It's...pretty much what I told Wolfwood. We had no plans to confront him and we weren't going to blame him to his face. But it's not like any of us can control how we feel about it when it was in addition to us being his example for an inter-team kill. [ to them, it was extra insulting to have the "person" who killed setsu try to suggest the idea that inter-team kills were possible when talking about setsu's murder, despite bringing it up because of simon. ]
This was never going to end with every single person liking or trusting every single other person anyway. People are always gonna feel a way about people killing their friends. But I do think there can be some understanding if people want to be upset without being told it's wrong to feel that way, just like I think we can all still work together since everybody's got the same goal.
[ another sip. ] Between what happened with Simon and what happened with Livio, all three of us weren't entirely sure how to feel about Justice being ahead. But I do think that as long as Livio's himself, he would want to bring everybody back.
[ jonas's reservations mostly were in the idea of not entirely knowing if razlo would show up again and joss the whole thing, considering. ]
But because of what happened this weekend, the rankings are probably gonna change one more time. I don't know when we'll find out either.
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Date: 2023-07-31 03:19 am (UTC)I haven't confirmed it yet but there's basically no way we aren't in the lead now. Justice has three, two they got away with, we have five, four we got away with. [Sorry, it's so gross to describe it like that.]
I do trust Livio, but I also get it. And I think both he and Razlo also kind of know that it's going to be harder for people to trust Justice.
[she sighs.]
I feel really weird about this stuff, Jonas, but it's not that I think no one should be angry at him. It's more that it sometimes makes me wish people would be angrier at us. But then I think about how brave Haru has been, and I don't want that, either. Still - you aren't crazy. Of course not. Setsu should still be here.
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Date: 2023-07-31 03:45 am (UTC)Sounds like those numbers add up to me. I don't know how many people even know about Razlo at this point since it seems like a lot of people still trust Livio. But considering the conversation I had with Livio I would say you're right, he kind of knows.
[ ...but he sighs. ]
I get you. I definitely get it, it's...I really don't get how you guys are doing it when I was kind of all over the place after we killed Simon. [ mostly because he oscillated between if it was a good or a bad thing, and also losing setsu. ] I think there's going to be time later for everybody to be angry with whoever they want. To be honest with you, I am still upset Shenhe's gone. I...writing to her has helped, but I can tell something's changed that I can't fix right now. I wish she were still here. I wish Setsu were still here because we're still trying to learn how to be okay again.
But it's all complicated for everybody, in the end. That's what it all comes down to isn't it?
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Date: 2023-07-31 12:13 pm (UTC)Yeah. Writing isn't the same. I wish they were both here, too. It's complicated, and I think we're all trying to do the right thing. I feel weird about Simon, too. I don't think I made him go after other people, but also what I did do to him hurt him really badly, and I'm responsible for some of what happened because of that. But - whether he deserved it or didn't deserve it, the fact is that the week he died he was asking Haru a lot of questions about Lambda, so if he hadn't died he might have killed Haru next.
Right or wrong, I'm glad that didn't happen.
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Date: 2023-07-31 07:02 pm (UTC)Everybody's trying to do the right thing, but the game was designed so that the "right thing" is morally compromising to begin with. I can understand feeling responsible for some of what happened because you framed him. [ ...but, well. ] ...we were planning to go after Simon a week before we did, actually. But then Kazuki came back on a mission, and we knew we couldn't leave him behind like that. Plus we couldn't risk his effects from his mission showing up and derailing stuff during the trial. [ and also the mods told us the queue was full. ] I wish we had worked harder to go through with it sometimes. At least to stop him from killing Fukuzawa, but having that happen just made it more obvious why we had to take him out. If it wasn't his own teammate, you're right, it would've been someone else.
I'm not saying our kill was morally correct. But I find myself not feeling as bad as I should because of those factors. As long as it meant keeping other people safe. [ tch. ] Not that he was happy we cornered him, but whatever. Never thought this would be a position I'd find myself in either.