Well. I always supported him trying to find Elody, and really wanted to find her, but then when we met her, she - she was really cold and didn't seem happy to see him or like she cared about the things he'd been through, and she hurt him a lot and she wouldn't listen.
She's mixed up with some people who are kind of awful? And I guess also sympathetic in a weird way, but still awful. And she trusted them over him even though he tried really hard to explain to her why she needed to trust us when we told her what they were up to.
So I just kind of - I don't know. Even if he made mistakes, he doesn't deserve to be treated like that.
[ coming back to these threads is extremely funny after the events of the past few days god.
anyway. ]
When things go wrong in that kind of situation, it's rarely ever just one sided. [ so, yeah, it sounds like she's also done a lot of things wrong, but. gerard has probably done some mistakes even if there are more mistakes that only i know of. ]
Maybe it's better for them to be apart - if only that both could do some growing. A new context can change things, so for him, maybe the hope of it all isn't lost, and for you, maybe things could be better between them to make things more right. Maybe the people that they are are incompatible, for a variety of reasons, but maybe they people they will be could be healthier.
...And preferably, if things do end up going that way, they will without so many awful people - the princesses? Right?
[it's definitely a matter of the fact that the gerard they both know now is a person who has done a lot of growing and reflecting and neither of them have perspective on how things were before all of that.]
...Yeah. [the princesses. very funny now. ruby you are truly so princess coded.] It's weird because I basically grew up believing that being a princess was the best thing you could be, and hoping that when I was older, I'd be one somehow? Like maybe not literally, though sometimes in stories even an ordinary girl becomes a princess, and that counts. For stories, at least. But, you know, that I'd be beautiful and gentle and everybody who saw me would fall in love with me and woodland creatures would flock to me and stuff.
And they all are kind of like that but they're also all extremely miserable. Well, Rosamund is a princess too but she's on our side and is one of the best people ever, but I think what she said is that like...her whole story is about other people doing things, and all she does is be beautiful and fall asleep. I think it's like that for a lot of them.
[ oh, that last part - he makes a little noise, agreeing. ]
Gerard mentioned something similar, relating to Elody; in that she didn't get to have any agency. It's something I find to be interesting, about your world. That you all are about these stories, and so many of these stories are two-dimensional in ways that none of you are.
[ and having had to live through it, he sort of gets it. ] I think ultimately, everyone's a little more miserable than they let on, no matter how brilliant and lovely the facade is. It's very easy to look put together.
[ he says from experience ] So, maybe it's better to be honest about it all in the first place. [ he says, like he absolutely will never ever do ] Who knows.
Yeah, that's the sort of thing people always say as advice for you, though. For you, it's probably best to be honest and being pretty isn't even that important...
[she doesn't necessarily disagree but she does get sick of people saying it to her when it's clear they don't follow it themselves; it kind of implies they're trying to reassure her that the situation she's stuck with is fine. she's not mad at him, though. it's the kind of thing rosamund and tim says and she adores them, it's just also sort of stupid.]
But I do get it. I mean, my story is supposed to be about how if you don't listen to your parents a wolf is going to eat you and your grandma and it'll be all your fault. And then a guy with an ax shows up sometimes and saves me in time. I don't really want that to be the whole point to my life, either.
The disagreement is really more that they think it can't be fixed, so they'd rather destroy it all. Though even that, I'm not sure all of them understand what destroying it all actually means...
I'll be frank: I hate being honest, and I love being pretty.
[ the deadpan way he delivers this suggests that it is only like 5% a joke. but, she's right - in that, it's not like fei du is going to be honest. it probably is better, but he will not start being honest anytime soon. every time it seems like he's going to start trying to tell the truth, start trying to be a little bit healthier, he backtracks almost immediately. its always three steps forward, two steps back - it's one of the more annoying aspects of fei du's personality, and he is keenly aware of it. ] But, I know what you mean. I can say it all I want, but, I know I won't act on it either - maybe it's advice I need to repeat to myself, too.
As for destruction... Well, that seems counterproductive, in my opinion. [ ruby like two days from now: i'm gonna blow up the game!!! ] Do you think it's out of desperation? I can see why something like that would feel like you're trapped.
Yeah. There are a group of fairies that are working really hard to put all our stories back the way they're supposed to be. You know, less horrible things happening all the time, happy endings stick, not eating a wolf and becoming a werewolf... Which is not what they want, or really what we want, either. But I think they think they have to do something drastic before the fairies win. And for some of them, the drastic thing is to do something that risks destroying the world because it's better than having to live in it the way it is forever.
[there is a reason she kind of understood and felt sorry for ruby instantly.]
We think we might be able to do something other than put it back how it was or destroy it, but we haven't managed to convince anybody of that. And he really tried to convince her.
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Date: 2023-08-02 04:30 pm (UTC)christ. annoying but right is about correct for fei du anyway, so he gives her a little bit of a smile. ]
He's lucky to have someone so supportive in his corner, when it comes to you.
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Date: 2023-08-02 10:40 pm (UTC)She's mixed up with some people who are kind of awful? And I guess also sympathetic in a weird way, but still awful. And she trusted them over him even though he tried really hard to explain to her why she needed to trust us when we told her what they were up to.
So I just kind of - I don't know. Even if he made mistakes, he doesn't deserve to be treated like that.
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Date: 2023-08-04 04:06 pm (UTC)anyway. ]
When things go wrong in that kind of situation, it's rarely ever just one sided. [ so, yeah, it sounds like she's also done a lot of things wrong, but. gerard has probably done some mistakes even if there are more mistakes that only i know of. ]
Maybe it's better for them to be apart - if only that both could do some growing. A new context can change things, so for him, maybe the hope of it all isn't lost, and for you, maybe things could be better between them to make things more right. Maybe the people that they are are incompatible, for a variety of reasons, but maybe they people they will be could be healthier.
...And preferably, if things do end up going that way, they will without so many awful people - the princesses? Right?
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Date: 2023-08-04 04:22 pm (UTC)...Yeah. [the princesses. very funny now. ruby you are truly so princess coded.] It's weird because I basically grew up believing that being a princess was the best thing you could be, and hoping that when I was older, I'd be one somehow? Like maybe not literally, though sometimes in stories even an ordinary girl becomes a princess, and that counts. For stories, at least. But, you know, that I'd be beautiful and gentle and everybody who saw me would fall in love with me and woodland creatures would flock to me and stuff.
And they all are kind of like that but they're also all extremely miserable. Well, Rosamund is a princess too but she's on our side and is one of the best people ever, but I think what she said is that like...her whole story is about other people doing things, and all she does is be beautiful and fall asleep. I think it's like that for a lot of them.
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Date: 2023-08-04 04:51 pm (UTC)Gerard mentioned something similar, relating to Elody; in that she didn't get to have any agency. It's something I find to be interesting, about your world. That you all are about these stories, and so many of these stories are two-dimensional in ways that none of you are.
[ and having had to live through it, he sort of gets it. ] I think ultimately, everyone's a little more miserable than they let on, no matter how brilliant and lovely the facade is. It's very easy to look put together.
[ he says from experience ] So, maybe it's better to be honest about it all in the first place. [ he says, like he absolutely will never ever do ] Who knows.
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Date: 2023-08-04 08:49 pm (UTC)Yeah, that's the sort of thing people always say as advice for you, though. For you, it's probably best to be honest and being pretty isn't even that important...
[she doesn't necessarily disagree but she does get sick of people saying it to her when it's clear they don't follow it themselves; it kind of implies they're trying to reassure her that the situation she's stuck with is fine. she's not mad at him, though. it's the kind of thing rosamund and tim says and she adores them, it's just also sort of stupid.]
But I do get it. I mean, my story is supposed to be about how if you don't listen to your parents a wolf is going to eat you and your grandma and it'll be all your fault. And then a guy with an ax shows up sometimes and saves me in time. I don't really want that to be the whole point to my life, either.
The disagreement is really more that they think it can't be fixed, so they'd rather destroy it all. Though even that, I'm not sure all of them understand what destroying it all actually means...
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Date: 2023-08-04 09:03 pm (UTC)[ the deadpan way he delivers this suggests that it is only like 5% a joke. but, she's right - in that, it's not like fei du is going to be honest. it probably is better, but he will not start being honest anytime soon. every time it seems like he's going to start trying to tell the truth, start trying to be a little bit healthier, he backtracks almost immediately. its always three steps forward, two steps back - it's one of the more annoying aspects of fei du's personality, and he is keenly aware of it. ] But, I know what you mean. I can say it all I want, but, I know I won't act on it either - maybe it's advice I need to repeat to myself, too.
As for destruction... Well, that seems counterproductive, in my opinion. [ ruby like two days from now: i'm gonna blow up the game!!! ] Do you think it's out of desperation? I can see why something like that would feel like you're trapped.
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Date: 2023-08-04 09:15 pm (UTC)[there is a reason she kind of understood and felt sorry for ruby instantly.]
We think we might be able to do something other than put it back how it was or destroy it, but we haven't managed to convince anybody of that. And he really tried to convince her.